The Emperor has No Clothes! She exclaimed
Yes, today on my radio show I am my special guest. I need to “vent”, “rant”, or whatever term you might like to use about David Neagle’s total misrepresentation of his workshop Experience the Reality of Success.
In “reality” we all experienced the reality of begging, not the promised reality of vibrational manifestation.
Mid-March this year, I travelled all the way from Australia to the United States at a cost of around $12,000 Aust Dollars (including the workshop admission fee) to attend David Neagle’s workshop “Experience The Reality of Success”.
The main thrust of the advertising which enticed me to make the very expensive decision to attend the workshop is that everyone who attends will actually Experience the Reality of Success.
Here is an actual quote from one of David Neagle’s promotional teleseminars
“… we called it Experience the Reality of Success, because that’s exactly what you do. You experience it for real. We actually show you how to manifest money from nothing – bang!
Now you might say, it’s got to be some sort of dog and pony show. It’s a trick.
No it’s not. We actually do it. You start with nothing and manifest money. You really do. And if I’m lying or exaggerating you can have your money back” (The Art of Success [AOS] teleseminar Session 4 about 1hr.12mins in).
Now as to the last part, I contend that David was both “lying and exaggerating” because whilst it’s true that we did start with nothing, what we did was to go out on the streets and beg for money.
That was the way we were to “manifest” the money. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between vibrationally manifesting money and begging for money on the streets.
If that’s the skill that’s required to ”manifest” a fortune, then all the so-called beggars on the streets of India must be all multi-millionaires, because they do it extremely well.
Yet, when I pointed this fact out to David and asked for my money back, as per his offer, instead of receiving my money, I received a letter from his lawyer.
Whilst David’s lawyer and I disagreed on most things related to David and his workshop, there was one thing that he did acknowledge. And that was that it was quite legal and within my rights to post this critical review here on my blog. As we agreed, if it was illegal to write a critical review, all of the Broadway theatre critics would now be in jail.
Nevertheless, by sending me a lawyer’s letter instead of returning my money, again David was misrepresenting the “money-back” offer he made in his promotional teleseminar, as well as misrepresenting the workshop itself.
But let’s continue and then I tell you more about this amazing, so-called, “life changing exercise in manifestation”. Otherwise known by the rest of the world as begging.
David continued in his promotional speech, and again I’m quoting:
“We teach you how to do it [manifest money from nothing – bang ] by putting yourself in harmony with you. And then you just do it according to all of the laws of the universe. Now that’s really something because now you know how to do this when you go home and you can take that, you can take all that stuff that we showed you inside of yourself and how to use it. How to harness it. How to focus it. How to control it. And then we send you home back into what it is that you want to do and you have that experience of actually doing it. That increases your rate of success dramatically. Dramatically! Because it’s something that you’ve actually experienced. You know it’s for real. You know that it’s not a game, a joke, or some hypie thing that someone is trying to sell.”
That promise and a number of other similarly enticing promises (such as I teach you what no other Law of Attraction teacher teaches) in other teleseminars, DVDs and CDs, is why I went to the workshop.
I’ve studied the works of most of the top Law of Attraction teachers and none of them give you the experience that David ‘promised’. I wanted to experience that missing piece that no other teacher teaches.
Because I believed David’s deceptive hype and his promises, I was prepared to travel half way across the world, taking 10 days out of my life, and spend $12,000 because I was going to learn that missing ingredient. I was going to actually “experience the reality” of manifesting on the spot. WOW! How exciting!
That’s what he promised.
And this is what we got.
On the 2nd day of the workshop – Tuesday – David announces that that night we are all going to manifest $1000 from nothing. Once we’d had the experience of “manifesting” that $1000, the money would then go to chariity.
WHOOP DEE DOO I thought. Here it is. Here’s what I’ve come all this way to do.
OK so the content information presented on stage was basically the same as I can hear any time just by listening to his CDs et cetera, and I wasn’t at all impressed with that. But now I was going to have the actual experience of manifesting money instantly and without any struggle by doing it in harmony with the Universal forces. And that is what I really came for. RIPPER!
This is a condensed version of what we were told to do for the exercise.
We had to go out on the streets of Las Vegas and “manifest $1000 from nothing”.
We were not to use anything that we might use in business. We were not to sell any of our products or use anything that we would normally use or do in our day-to-day business life. We were not to gamble or do anything in any of the casinos.
We were told that we had to stay on the streets throughout the entire night, if that’s what it took, to get this $1000 each. And primarily for safety sake, we had to go out in groups of about 6 or so – go out with the other people who were sitting at our table.
Now in our group were a couple of people who had been to the workshop before – why they went back for a repeat performance goodness only knows. That’s what I mean by my exclamation that the Emperor has no clothes.
Anyway, they indicated that the best way, and what was really expected of us, was that we just go up to strangers in the street and ask them for money. This a couple of people from our group did, and we were all nearly arrested.
The next day in the debrief, and the day after that, it was confirmed, although not overtly stated, that asking strangers for money was what we were expected to do to manifest our $1000 each.
Now staying on the streets at night until we had each accumulated $1000 by going up to strangers and asking them for money is at best an exercise in persistence. And I’ve never been short on persistence.
But in reality it was, pure and simple, an exercise in BEGGING.
And in no way is it an exercise in raising one’s vibrations and manifesting money without struggle, according to the Universal Laws.
Yes, the great exercise that I’d travelled half way around the planet and spent $12,000 to learn was an exercise in begging, pure and simple.
Now I wouldn’t really complain about the so-called “manifestation”/begging exercise if it had been promoted for what it was.
At a stretch, I could even argue a case supporting the exercise; if he’d promoted the workshop as one in which the participants will do an exercise that will help them confront and overcome issues of love, security, and self esteem, which are generally the main reasons that people have problems manifesting in their lives. Had he said something like that, then he would have been honest. And had he been honest, in that way, in his promoting of the workshop; then I, for one, would not have wasted my time and money attending.
The only problem with that sort of truth in advertising is that unless David included a genuine manifestation exercise, Experience the Reality of Success would then only be just another personal development workshop. And they are a dime a dozen.
I must also add that the content of all of David’s CDs and DVD programs is excellent material. I’ve learned a lot from them. And I listen to them frequently from the comfort of my office at home at no extra cost other than the initial purchase price. So I did not have to travel to the States to hear the same content and stories. But that still would have been OK if he’d actually fulfilled his main promised and taught us how to manifest as opposed to getting us to go out on the streets and beg for money.
Adding Insult to Injury
As evidence that David is well aware that what he is doing is, at best, questionable; a couple of weeks after the Experience the Reality of Success workshop had finished, David Neagle had a follow-up teleseminar. And during that teleseminar David himself expressed exactly what I’ve been arguing since the workshop finished. He acknowledged that the main exercise was NOT an exercise in manifestation. He said, and again I’m quoting:
“The manifestation exercise is benign”. “The only reason that people recoil from it so much is that all their stuff around love, security, and self esteem comes rushing to the surface”.
Now had I known that the major part of the workshop was an exercise reflecting on my reactions, with relation to love, security, and self esteem, I certainly would not have wasted my time or money in attending because I’ve been to so many workshops in years gone by that put me through those love, security, and self esteem exercises. There is nothing new in that sort of work. Most Personal Development workshops cover it in some form.
Again, the only reason that I went to Experience the Reality of Success was because of David Neagle’s promise that I’d learn something total new and unique about manifestation. And yet by David’s your own admission on the post-Experience the Reality of Success call, the major component of the workshop, was NOT about manifestation, but instead about reflecting on our behaviour.
“The whole idea [of the manifestation exercise] is that you learned how you behaved in the exercise. How did you behave? How did you feel? What was the experience like for you?”
They were his very words. And, as I’m sure you’d agree, they paint a totally different picture than the picture he promised in his promotional material that I’ve quoted above. Clearly, his promotional material is a total deception.
There were at least 8 people that I know of who just walked out of the workshop on the Tuesday in disgust, never to return again. Like me, they too were so appalled at the deception that had brought them to the workshop.
Contravention of the Federal Trade Commission Act
One of the Federal Trade Commission publications states “In interpreting Section 5 of the Act, the Commission has determined that a representation … [of a product or service] is deceptive if it is likely to:
• mislead consumers and
• affect consumers’ behavior or decisions about the product or service.
So not only was David Neagle
“lying and exaggerating” about the vibrational manifestation we would experience in his workshop Experience The Reality of Success, which by his own words after the event, was not about manifestation at all, but about reflecting on our issues around love, security and self esteem;
he was “lying and exaggerating” about giving us our money back if we believed that he was “lying and exaggerating”. As I said, I got a letter from his lawyer instead of my money.
but also, in misrepresenting the workshop as he did, and still does, he is actually acting illegally by contravening the US Federal Trade Commission Act, as highlighted above.
By training, I’m an ethicist. My main areas of ethics are Environmental Ethics, Sustainability Ethics and BUSINESS ETHICS. I taught MBA Business Ethics courses at a number of different Universities, in Australia and overseas. And these days, more than ever before, society is expecting ethical business behaviour from everyone. And what I experienced sure missed the mark there.
Is it that David Neagle just “Doesn’t Get It?”
As a result of my ethics research over the years, I have so often seen people, especially business men, who do things that are totally unethical. However, even though people explain what they have done is wrong, they still just don’t get it.
It’s the story of the Emperor has No Clothes, from the Emperor’s perspective.
And I have to wonder if this is the situation with David Neagle and his Experience the Reality of Success workshop. I just find it almost impossible to believe that someone who comes across as sincerely as David does in all his teleseminars, CDs and DVDs, could actually present, what he passes off as instantly “manifest[ing] money from nothing!”, in such a misleading, and deceptive way.
Sure, I know that I can often be too trusting. And I know that conmen and women are conmen and women because they are so convincing with the sincerity of what they are doing, offering, and saying.
So is David is a conman? Or is it that, like so many high powered business men - look at Wall Street - he “just doesn’t get it”.
One of many very notable examples of a men (and they are mostly men) who just didn’t get it was Ken Lay of ENRON. Have a close look at the excellent production of ENRON: The Smartest Guys in the Room. It was Ken Lay, amongst others, who kept and kept insisting that he had done nothing wrong. And to examine Lay’s face as he says that, it was quite clear that Lay truly believed that he’d done nothing wrong. It was totally beyond Lay’s understanding that what he’d done was in any way wrong. To him, whatever happened was just business. Lay just didn’t get it.
And I have to wonder if David Neagle is the same. I’ll let you be the judge.
After the Experience the Reality Workshop was over, I went up to David Neagle and I said to him that I thought that his so-called manifestation exercise was utter B/S (only I was so angry inside that I didn’t use initials) and I continued to state, amongst other things, that at best it was an exercise in persistence but actually an exercise in begging. And in no way was it an exercise in manifestation.
David’s reaction to my comment was not one of surprise, as I would have expected if he truly believed in his exercise. Nor did he try and explain why it was such an important exercise for me to do.
Instead, he said absolutely nothing to me, but throughout my entire speech he just gave me a side-on form of grin.
The grin or smirk said one of two things to me.
“You poor woman, you’ll never amount to anything with that attitude”. OR
“Well you’ve found me out; there is nothing that I can say”.
Again, I’ll let you be the judge.
This is an important issue – Please leave a comment
If you heard my radio show this morning, please leave me a comment. Just click on the heading to this post and then scroll down to the comment box.
If you want to hear the program, then just go to http://www.healthylife.net/RadioShow/archiveSS.htm
The recording of the show is dated July 1st.
Or if you’ve been to David Neagle’s Experience the Reality of Success [ful begging] let me know if you felt the same way as I do.
Amazingly, I know of a number of people who do agree with my sentiments and yet they never felt like speaking out. Again, this is a case of the Emperor has no Clothes. People seem to be afraid to speak up publically about things that are of concern to them. Instead they just grumble amongst themselves. That sort of thing does not help anyone.
As the famous 18th century philosopher and politician Edmund Burke said,
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing.
Now I am not saying that David is evil. I’m just saying that he needs to make some major changes in the way that he does business.
Which Brings Me To Another Major Concern – David Neagle’s Coaching Practice
If you are receiving coaching from David, this part is well worth a read and consideration.
Apart from his workshop, David has a very lucrative coaching practice. He charges $25,000 for a 1 day coaching intensive. And has other 6 and also 7 figure coaching packages which extend over a 12 month period. Yes, $100,000, and $1 million.
Now what David charges for his services is entirely up to David and the client’s who are prepared to pay.
However I’d like to raise a couple of very important concerns for consideration.
And again I’d love to hear what you think about this.
CONCERN #1 – the way in which David sells his coaching packages
To sell these packages, as an upsell, at the Experience the Reality of Success workshop, David got his two star coaching clients to give a talk for about 2 hours on what they had achieved as a result of David’s wonderful coaching.
What they had to say sounded extremely impressive. Yes, they had each paid $100,000 dollars, but they had made $1 million over the 12 month period that they’d been working with David.
What they failed to mention was that that $1million was gross and out of that had to come enormous expenses, as well as David’s $100K, which certainly makes the results far less attractive.
Even so, these 2 people were extremely impressive.
But I have to wonder, did they achieve their success due to David’s coaching, or are they the sort of people who would have achieved the same success with any other coach.
Nevertheless, the impression was that everyone that David coaches has those results, or something similar. WOW!
However, there was a woman at the workshop who’d touched my heart because she was obviously having a very difficult time and was not making much progress at all in what she wanted to do with her business. She was deeply in debt, and obviously quite depressed and confused.
At the end of the very last day, I discovered that she too was one of David’s coaching clients who was attempting to pay $100,000 in monthly installments. She’d been working with David for 6 months and still didn’t even have a business plan set up.
She had signed up with David at the previous workshop after hearing the results from his start performers, like we did in our March workshop.
How many of David’s other $100K, or even $1 million, clients are like this poor woman? How many of David’s clients have worked with him with absolutely no results at all for their $100K? Yet we only hear of the absolutely brilliant exceptions.
CONCERN # 2
The second question that I have about David’s coaching practice concerns me even more.
The question is; “What is he actually teaching his clients?”
If David’s actions are as questionable as they are because he just doesn’t get it, then all he can do is to teach his clients to operate in the same questionable manner. And they won’t get it either, because in their mind, how could it be unethical because the “Million Dollar Coach” himself does it and is making millions, so it must work – and so it must be OK.
My concern is that David is probably breeding a whole generation of David Neagle business practice clones who are mimicking his questionable business actions. And, as I said, like David, they won’t get it either. They are just selling their soul for the glitz and the dollar.
At this time of major change on our Planet, integrity and ethical practices cannot, and must not, be compromised.
There is a basic rule of ethics that I always teach my students.
Acting ethically can often have short-term pain. But it will always have long-term gains.
By contrast, acting unethically will almost always have short-term gains – a major one is to make a heck of a lot of money. But I can guarantee that in the long-term, acting unethically will never be sustainable – there will always be long-term pain.
Again, ENRON is a fantastic example.
In the short term, everyone at ENRON made a lot of money. But it was not sustainable. In the long term, the company collapsed, people were left penniless, and the executives went to jail, or died.
It always happens that way!
Take the example of this very blog post. I have never been able to believe how very, very foolish David was with regard to my refund request. Any intelligent business person who has an extremely unhappy customer will give them what they ask for – in my case, a refund – just to get rid of them.
Had David done that in April when I first asked, I would have gone out of his life. But no. Instead, after my 3rd request for a refund, David sets his lawyer onto me and now, through the World Wide Web, his actions are able to be examined and questioned by the entire world. What a silly, silly man!
If these are the standards by which David Neagle conducts his own business, what is he going to pass on to his coaching clients? Obviously the same questionable standards and poor business practices – and all for a mere $100K, or perhaps even $1 million.
I know of a number of people now who won’t do business and won’t promote anyone who’s been coached by David Neagle because of the concerns I’ve just raised.
But now, back to Experience the Reality of Success
My recommendation is, unless you really want to experience the reality of begging on the Las Vegas strip at 10 o’clock at night, save your money and just buy his CDs and listen to his content. You’ll be far better off.
Alternatively, in my experience, one of the best ways to learn about the Law of Attraction is to listen to the works of Abraham through Esther Hicks. They are by far the most superior teachers of this philosophy
For the Record
The first night that we had to go out on the streets, the Tuesday night, I went with my group. I was in total disbelief at our task and kept saying to the others; “this is not manifestation. There must be something more that we’ve missed”. And so I did not do any begging that night. By about 10pm, I said that I’d had enough of this nonsense and so I was going back to my hotel. This I did.
As virtually no one had “manifested” any money on the Tuesday night, about 3pm the next day, Wednesday, David sent us all out again to do the same thing. On this occasion I apologised to my group and said that I would not go.
The next morning, Thursday, the last official day of the workshop, David called up on stage everyone who had not “manifested” any money at all. There were about 10 of us who were on stage.
David then said words to the tune of – I made a promise to you all that everyone at this workshop would manifest money. So now you are all to go out on the streets again and keep trying to get that $1000 and don’t come back until after lunch.
This time I thought, well if I am going to complain about this exercise (which I had intended to do), I am going to have to have done it. Otherwise, I could be accused of just being frightened and not wanting to, or not being capable of, begging on the streets.
So this time I went out and I “begged” for money. In 45 minutes my begging had resulted in just under $69.oo.
That was well in excess of anyone else at our table, and well in excess of most of the people in the room. And they had all been out for 10 – 20 hours.
So I felt that $69 in 45 minutes demonstrated that I was able to perform the task of begging very well indeed. But once again, begging is NOT THE MANIFESTATION that I had come to learn.
And as for David’s question in the post Experience the Reality of Success teleseminar, “How did you feel? What was the experience like for you?” I continually felt, and my constant reflective reaction was
“I’ve flown half way around the world and spent $12k AUD on a begging exercise and stuff that I’ve heard and done so many times before. I don’t think that I’ve ever felt as ripped-off before, as I do now with regard to Experience the Reality of Success.”
That was exactly what I was reflecting on.
Posting a blog like this is not about emotionally hanging on to a perceived wrong. It’s about voicing my experience so that others who might be thinking of doing the workshop have a much better idea of what to expect.
There is a big difference between emotionally hanging-on, and speaking up.
Emotionally hanging-on will never do us any good. But speaking our truth is what we need a lot more of.
So again, please leave a comment so that future prospective Experience the Reality of Success students can make their decision based on the truth. Based on the REALITY of what they will EXPERIENCE. Not the deception they hear and read in David’s promotional material.
I’d still like you to return the $12,000 AUD
that your deceptive promises cost me.